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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: International gun shipments on Fed Ex</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?13,15812,15825#msg-15825</link>
      <author>jeffanderson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Yes, you do have different rules with the diffeent post offices around the world.  but at least with the USPS end of things, they will ship any pre-1899 firearm for anyone, which is more than you can say for Fed Ex or, sometimes, UPS.
Jeff]]></description>
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      <title>[General Discussion] USPS clerks</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?13,15812,15824#msg-15824</link>
      <author>jeffanderson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[If you are shipping an antique gun from in the US to a location in the US, there is no reason why you should be asked what in in the package - no form asks that question, and you can just sidestep it if asked.  Often the quetion of what is it comes from high insurance cost....so just tell the clerk is is a antique collectible.  You will be asked if it is something dangerous, hazardous, etc....and the answer for an antique fireamr is &quot;no.&quot;
The question of what is in box seems to come up for me with long boxes for muskets, so at least you post office is okay with those!
Jeff]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:26:31 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Colt 1860 Richards-Mason Conversion Low Serial No.</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?6,15818,15823#msg-15823</link>
      <author>jeffanderson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You have one of what Bruce McDowell in this book on Colt Conversions called The Original Metalic Cartridge Richards.  Colt started with serial number 1 on the Richards made with parts newly made to be finished into cartridge guns.
The Richards models that Colt made using parts that that had already been numbered in the percussion range, starting about serial 190,000,  McDowell calls the Converted Percussion Range - but says that these are not guns originally sold as percussion, and then returned for conversion, but were guns that were for the most part made up from overstocked percussion gun parts that Colt had on hand.  So calling them Converted Percussion Range is a misleading title (but then, calling all these guns that were made as cartridge guns and were never percussion guns &quot;conversion&quot; as collector's do is also misleading, isn't it?)
I seem to remember that McDowell thought these guns were made at the same time.
By the time Colt got the the Original Cartridge Metalic serial range of about 5,900, Colt had developed the Richard Mason version, and I think all the Richads Masons were in the range, from 5,900 to 7,300.  They are a rare variation of the Richards.
You should get a copy of McDowells book - it is a real treasure for the Colt Conversion collector
Jeff]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:18:38 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Colt 1860 Richards-Mason Conversion Low Serial No.</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?6,15818,15822#msg-15822</link>
      <author>steg</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Colt M1860 Richard-Mason Conversions had separate serial numbers than unconverted M1860 Army's. 
There were approximately 2,100 Richard-Mason M1860 Army Conversions made from 1877 to 1878 in a serial number range 5800 to 7900.
This information is basic to the collection of Colt firearms. You would be well advised to you invest in one of the several excellent books about Colt firearms. They can be found used at reasonable prices on the internet. Not only are they a good read, but the information in them can save you from being cheated in a gun deal by unscrupulous people.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:05:48 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Sharps slant breech rifle</title>
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      <author>spencer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Just solved my own question by looking at earlier posts on this site. The gun I saw was a Nepal Sharps. The guy was asking 1500.00. Glad I didn't buy it!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:44:28 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: International gun shipments on Fed Ex</title>
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      <author>pikeman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Here in NY State we've got Post Offices on every corner, or so it seems. When I get a stubborn clerk at one P.O., I don't argue with him, I just go to another Post Ofice and usually, sooner or later, I find a guy who understands the issue and ships it. Then it's just a matter of going to that P.O. whenever I want to ship an antique firearm. You get more consistant treatment dealing with small town P.O.'s than big city P.O.'s.

When I had the time, I would press the issue, if I were you, and write to the big guys like congressmen, senators, BATF and US Postal Authorities, and be a hemmoroid to your local P.O.. Always take names, times and dates and ask those clerks to spell their name to you. If they think you are serious about writing that letter, they will be more apt to live by the letter of the law, and not by their own personal predjudices! Never let some burocrat tell you they'll get back to you unless you get their name. If they say they'll get back to you, ask them when? Put 'em on the spot! They'll probably do what you want just to get rid of you!

As for clerks who make their own rules, that sounds like UPS clerks! You will get 100 different interpretations of UPS rules if you ask 100 UPS clerks the same question. 

All in all, the U.S.Mail is still far and away the best way to ship antique firearms.

pikeman]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:05:33 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Sharps 36&quot; Long Barrel Rifle</title>
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      <author>spencer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[As the experts have said, the 36 inch barrel Sharps used a saber bayonet. Someone may want to check the diameter of a Spencer rifle. It also had a thirty inch barrel and I beleive Collins also manufactured the bayonets for the Spencer.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:59:05 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Colt 1860 Richards-Mason Conversion Low Serial No.</title>
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      <author>rhmc24</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have several 1860 Colts including a Richards and a Richards-Mason.  Serial numbers on all except the latter are above 100k.  The Richards- Mason has numbers 68xx.  Is there info that indicates that Colt put conversions together from war surplus part?  -- Or any rationale to explain such a low number? 

This gun is in fine condition, apparently original 75% nickel, with close to 100% scene.

Any/all info, comments appreciated.  Thanks]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:28:23 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Sharps slant breech rifle</title>
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      <author>spencer</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I saw a Sharps slant breech rifle at a flea market yesterday that was a configuration I am not sure about. The rifle appeared to be a slant breech model 1852 with a long barrel, somewhere around 30 inches or longer. The butt plate was brass as you would expect, there were no markings on the lock, perhaps they were worn off and no serial number. The thing that throughs me is it had a long forestock similar to the model 1859 and 1863 military rifle however it did not have a metal nose cap. The end of the forestock was rounded with a rounded brass nosecap. The forestock was well made, workmanship you would expect from an arsenal. The barrel bands were steel, like the model 1859. The bore was rifled, this its not a shotgun.
My question is, is this an original model or has this been modified by a gunsmith or arsenal. I hope its not some abortion put together in an Afgan shop.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:28:35 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: International gun shipments on Fed Ex</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?13,15812,15816#msg-15816</link>
      <author>Paledog326</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Along these lines I have had some problems with my local Post Office regarding antique guns.  I had a similar issue as rblackbird.  2 different times over the last few years I have gone to the Post Office in my town to ship an antique revolver (combined dates for the 2 pieces would be 1850's-1860's).  Both times the guy at the counter, the postal inspector for that branch, and the postal hub for PA all said that the guns could not be shipped because I was not a licensed firearms dealer with a federal firearms license and the guns are considered &quot;handguns&quot;.  I explained many times to all of them that they are and are considered &quot;antique firearms&quot;, not handguns.  They simply stated over and over again that they are handguns and refused to ship them, even after I had them pull up the USPS page and showed them their own regulations.  They stated that I was allowed to ship an antique rifle because it is a rifle, but not the antique revolvers because they are handguns.  I have even called the postal service in DC and left messages about the issue.  I finally got a call back after leaving 6 different messages over a 6 week period.  When I got the call back I had to explain everything again and they said they would research it and get back to me promptly with an answer, that was over a year ago.  Thus, I think some people are applying the law in a manner that suits them based upon their personal feelings on gun ownership, rather than the letter of the law.  Just my 2 cents.  I hope things work out for you rblackbird!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:22:06 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: International gun shipments on Fed Ex</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?13,15812,15815#msg-15815</link>
      <author>rblackbird</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thanks for responding.

How does the USPS help, when the gun is shipped from outside the USA? The postal regulations of the country where the package is mailed would control.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:02:49 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: International gun shipments on Fed Ex</title>
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      <author>jeffanderson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Richard:
Use the good old United States Postal Service for antiques.  I cnn't give advice about non-antique firearms.
Jeff]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:51:27 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: TV accuracy</title>
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      <author>jeffanderson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Don't ask Sgt. Schultz - he knows nothink - nothink !!!
Jeff]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:48:18 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] International gun shipments on Fed Ex</title>
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      <author>rblackbird</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Have you run into this problem?

I am a US citizen and live in the USA. I collect antique guns. Recently, I purchased two guns from a European auction house. One is a percussion rifle pre-1899, probably made in the 1840's. The other is a cartridge rifle made in 1899. Normally,the former gun is not subject to ATF jurisdiction. The latter is, and must be sent to a licensed federal firearms dealer.

I have purchased two other pre-1899 guns from this dealer, who had shipped them to me from Europe by FedEx. Previously, FedEx employees in Memphis where the guns arrived,were confused as to whether ATF approval needed to be sought before they could be sent on to me. Both times FedEx in-house lawyers agreed with me (a retired lawyer) that such permission was not necessary. Now I have encountered a new, bizarre problem. 

The dealer addressed one package to me containing the antique gun, and the other containing the 1899 gun to a federal firearms dealer with which I had arranged to receive the gun. The dealer then went to ship the guns on FedEx. Surprisingly, they were told at the FedEx office at Milan airport, that FedEx policy is it will not carry any firearms, antique or not, on international shipments(domestic US o.k.).  I had several conversations with the FedEx house counsel's office. A lawyer, who had earlier cleared one of my imports, told me that FedEx's policy is not to carry &quot;weapons&quot; on international shipments. Because an antique gun could be used as a &quot;weapon,&quot; FedEx would not transport it. Even though the federal definition of &quot;firearms&quot; excludes antiques, FedEx will not transport them internationally. Even if the gun is sent to a federal firearms dealer, &quot;no,&quot; again. If she had given me incorrect advice previously, she had to adhere to company policy now (the policy is not new, apparently). I asked if the same prohibition would apply if I wanted to import an antique sword or knife, which are potential weapons. She said it would. I said it appears that FedEx can define anything it wants as a weapon. &quot;Yes.&quot; The more you think about what COULD BE used as a weapon (kitchen knives, hand tools, golf clubs, etc.) the more ridiculous this interpretation becomes.My dealer is now looking for another carrier.

I would like to know if any of you have run into this problem with FedEx, or with any other carrier, for importation of firearms, antique or not. What has been your experience, if any, with other international carriers? Do you recommend a particular international carrier other than FedEx?

Richard]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:19:02 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] Re: TV accuracy</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?13,15810,15811#msg-15811</link>
      <author>C.W. Howard</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Could be a Danish or Norwegian capture pressed into service. For a prison camp, a Substitute Standard (as we'd call it) would be good enough - and after all, the Germans thought well enough of the Krag that the ordered production be resumed after they conquered Norway. including experimental models in 7.92x57...

However, i suspect it was actually a matter of &quot;We need a rifle for Sgt. Schultz. It is for a World War Two prison camp series&quot; and the prop house sent over whatever bolt-gun was closest to the door and nobody involved knew any better. A gun is a gun is a gun....]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:39:30 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Discussion] TV accuracy</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?13,15810,15810#msg-15810</link>
      <author>johnhamilton</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Catching up on a little &quot;Hogan's Heros&quot; and Sgt. Schultz, German soldier, entered with his service rifle, a Krag.  Do doubt. Hard to miss that Krag side magazine.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:09:15 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Shotguns] Re: E. Remington Whitmore 1873 Sidelock Hammers Needed</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?10,15807,15809#msg-15809</link>
      <author>Anchor Clanker</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Try Dixie Gun Works. They have a large selection of hammers for older shotguns.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:44:10 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Shotguns] Re: E. Remington Whitmore 1873 Sidelock Hammers Needed</title>
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      <author>steg</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Try Flayderman. If its not listed on his site, call him. You might also try S&amp;S firearms in Queens, NY.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:39:32 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Shotguns] E. Remington Whitmore 1873 Sidelock Hammers Needed</title>
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      <author>kennywabo</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have an E. Remington Whitmore 1873 Side by Side and need a left side hammer. I have checked numerous sites on the internet with no luck. Any advice or references you could suggest in this search. If not would you know of a gunsmith who could machine one or a pair for me. The right side is in good shape just need left. 

Cheers]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:57:33 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Proof mark question</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?6,15776,15804#msg-15804</link>
      <author>C.W. Howard</author>
      <description><![CDATA[They certainly look like a poorly-struck Birmingham proof to me (or, possibly, a counterfeit of same - in any case, struck in a single punch).

It looks to me, subject to a bitter picture, hopefully with some enhancement (fill in the amrk with contrasting amterial), as if the punch was struck at an angle instead of straight on. But - that is uncertain.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:20:25 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Proof mark question</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?6,15776,15803#msg-15803</link>
      <author>bill curtis</author>
      <description><![CDATA[They are crossed sceptres derived from the original Board of Ordnance Tower Proof and also used slightly modified in Birmingham by the Ketlands becoming the Birmingham Gun Barrel Proof House marks after the Act of Parliament of 1813.  They were designed for the 1813 Act to be completely different to the original marks of the Gunmakers Company Proof House in London which had been established in the 1600s.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:10:13 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Proof mark question</title>
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      <author>McCord</author>
      <description><![CDATA[As someone who knows virtually nothing about proof marks other than U.S.--and not a lot about those-- I'd offer a small bet that the crossed items are a work-bench type hammer and a screwdriver.

Just reporting what my eyes tell me.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:53:28 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: 1895 Winchestr</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?6,15178,15801#msg-15801</link>
      <author>C.W. Howard</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Bert - been a while since I've seen you on the forum. How is the Bubblehead business? And what has the Fishy Doc been up to?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:26:48 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Proof mark question</title>
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      <author>bill curtis</author>
      <description><![CDATA[If it was imported into Europe, there was strong possibility that it would have been through Liverpool and via the hands of the English Gun Trade. In this case the Proof Acts would have required that it be proofed before it could be sold on outside the Trade.  This does not explain the absence of the View Mark.  This particular mark may not be quite what it should be so Clyde's comment makes sense and I should like to see a clear picture showing the detail.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:06:18 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: 1895 Winchestr</title>
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      <author>Bert H.</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello,

Octagon barrels were offered in calibers 38-72 WCF and 40-72 WCF only, and they were available well beyond the &quot;flat-side&quot; production period.

Bert H.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:44:01 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Proof mark question</title>
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      <author>C.W. Howard</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Could be - but I'd sure like to see it better delineated (as i say - filled with White-out works well); could be just struck a little off-centered, but - dunno.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:58:02 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Proof mark question</title>
      <link>http://www.antiqueguns.com/phorum/read.php?6,15776,15797#msg-15797</link>
      <author>danielw</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The owner of this revolver(in France) sent me the following information.  He believes the mark to be a Birmingham mark.  The information he received was from the following website...   http://www.littlegun.be/
It was translated to English, so the wording is not great. I'll post his email below if anyone cares to read it.
I did locate some pictures of Birmingham &quot;View&quot; marks and agree with Bill Curtis that it looks a little different.....


I have the answer of &quot; Little gun&quot; for marking:
curiously, the proof mark added on the gun and the barrel are English! . That is proof mark of  test official of the bench of  tests of Birmingham, ( use of 1813 to 1904.) Often difficult to identify because it complex and is struck rather deeply in metal. This punch represents two surmounted cross sceptres of a crown and including/understanding the letters B, P and C on the left, below and on the right. These letters identify the Bench of the Tests of Birmingham. History: In 1670, the charter relating to l' obligatory test of the firearms to London and surroundings was confirmed. The Guild chooses initials GP crowned like marks d' acceptance, as well as V crowned outstanding l' inspection after test (respective equivalents of our ELG* and the letter of controller). In 1713, Gunmakers Company built its own bench d' tests with Whitechapel, London, where it is always. In 1813, rights of Gun&amp; Barrelmakers Co were extended to all l' England and Wales. The same year, the Parliament ratified d' creation; an additional BE in Birmingham, with a procedure d' identical test, namely 4 blows per gun with normal load. At the beginning, this creation caused some reserves on behalf of the BE of London. In fact of official punch, the BE of Birmingham took again the logo of a known arms manufacturer of Ketland (cross and crowned sceptres), to which letters BPC were added. Later, the same proof mark was added to the precedent, but comprised only the letter V crowned indicating the inspection of l' arms after test. The proof mark  of the English tests are always on the gun and between each room of the barrel. From the introduction of V crowned, the proof mark of the barrel are alternate. .
(Traduction Yahoo babel fish )]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:27:41 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Barrel Finish on Orig. Fayetteville Rifles</title>
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      <author>steg</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I used to be a regular visitor to Bannermans showroom in NYC back in the 1950's. The northern wall of the store had several hundred ACW muskets of every discription on it. Most of the barrels were in the white. In 1954 I purchased a M1842 Harpers Ferry wrapped in its original Armory &quot;gauze and grease&quot; condition. Upon cleaning, all the metal parts except the lockplate, trigger, hammer, and butt plate were in the white. I asked one of the Bannerman sons and his resident gunsmith about this and they told me that is how these guns appeared in peace time but during the ACW the soldiers on both sides dulled the finishes so as not to be targets. I  also recall reading this somewhere, but cannot recall the source. 
There is an old, traditional simple method for home browning in the back of older Dixie Gun Works catalogs that might be how they did it.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:11:52 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Barrel Finish on Orig. Fayetteville Rifles</title>
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      <author>riflepit</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Sure would like to know the documentation for browning a barrel in the field during the CW. Could you post it?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:37:05 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>[Pre-1899 Firearms] Re: Barrel Finish on Orig. Fayetteville Rifles</title>
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      <author>steg</author>
      <description><![CDATA[From everything I have read, most American made long guns of the South were finished &quot;in the White&quot;. 
this was OK as long as fighting took ploace during daylight hours, as was the case before the ACW. Browning and other measures to dull the metal was done in the field when it was realized that the white metal reflected light at night and made good targets.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:51:02 -0600</pubDate>
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